The Throne of Thunder raid patch presented us with a good number of new trinkets to play around with. Some of these trinkets have turned out to be pretty awesome, some of them have worked out to be flops. Let's take a look at what has become available to us and the individual pros and cons of each.
Renataki's Soul Charm - Dropped by Jin'rokh the Breaker, the first encounter in Throne of Thunder.
Pros: One of the stronger RPPM trinkets available to us. Drops off of an easily accessible boss.
Cons: Has a base stat of expertise. If you find yourself at an awkward gearing stage where you're way over the expertise cap, this situation could devalue Renataki's a bit.
Bad Juju - Dropped by the Council of Elders, the third encounter in Throne of Thunder.
Pros: Another very strong RPPM trinket. Council of Elders is a fairly accessible encounter to most on normal mode, though the LFR version of this trinket is pretty decent as well. It has a mastery base, which of course is pretty fantastic all around. It even procs adorable little gnomes that shoot lightning!
Cons: The biggest problem with this trinket isn't general raid performance, but with the fact that it does proc little "guardians". If you're a soloist going through content where bosses have a chance to mind control, this trinket can pose an issue for you. This is the only real con I can think of, and it has no bearing on current tier content.
Talisman of Bloodlust - Dropped by Primordius, the eighth encounter in Throne of Thunder.
Pros: Has a base stat of Agility with a chance to proc haste. Said haste proc has a chance to stack up to 5 times; RPPM based trinket. A decent contender if you have an obscene excess of expertise that renders Renataki's Soul Charm less than ideal for you.
Cons: Based on various user reports on this trinket, unless you have the heroic version the chances of you seeing ToB stack past 3 is rather slim. I personally haven't had the chance to play around with this trinket, as it hasn't dropped for me, to confirm that this is low-proc situation is also a trend for us enhancement types.
Rune of Re-Origination - Dropped by Lei Shen, the final encounter (on normal mode at least) in Throne of Thunder.
Pros: Yet another Agility based RPPM trinket. Unfortunately that's about where the pros end for us.
Cons: Essentially, this trinket works thusly:
"- Increase your highest secondary stat by 200% of the sum of your two lowest secondary stats. For example: you have 3500 mastery, 5000 crit, 7000 haste. Rune procs, and you get [-3500 mastery, -5000 crit, +17000 haste]. Same logic as before, just double the size of the buff to your highest stat."
The bonus proc of RoRO isn't the issue, the fact that it essentially zeroes two of our secondary stats is where the problem resides. Enhancement has a very strong synergy with how secondary stats work for us. Crit feeds into our Flurry procs, which enables haste to be beneficial to us. Mastery naturally boosts the damaging throughput of nearly all of our abilities. Haste makes us hit faster, burst harder, and works to increase the uptime of our RPPM trinkets. A healthy balance of these stats makes for the best damage output potential for our spec.
Now, the best case scenario for this trinket would probably be to force a mastery proc, which you'd do by stacking mastery (which most enhancement shaman who have two RPPM trinkets are NOT doing; we're moving towards being a bit more haste heavy to encourage even more procs from our trinkets/weapon enchants). If you were to do this, you'd be reducing your Flurry uptime and diminishing the chance of your other RPPM trinket, should you have one, to proc. Both of these scenarios are less than ideal. If you were to try and force a crit or haste proc, you'd also see less than ideal circumstances, as both of these stats can and do eventually suffer from diminishing returns. Needless to say, most people have seen DPS losses when replacing even tier 14 trinkets with this item regardless of how their stats add up.
Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault - Sold by Ao Pye in Townlong Steppes and Teng of the Flying Daggers at the Isle of Thunder for 1750 Valor Points.
Pros: Easily obtainable and still a somewhat decent item despite its cons. Like most trinkets, has a tendency to proc at the beginning of an encounter, thus could help lead to higher opening burst. Hit based, though this is really only a pro point for those shaman who are just starting out.
Cons: Not an RPPM based trinket. Most enhancement shaman going into or are already raiding Throne of Thunder tend to be suffering from an excess of hit. This trinket also has a rather lengthy ICD (internal cooldown) of 105 seconds.
Now that we've gone through the pros and cons of each trinket, let's look at how they stack up.
The graph found above has been put together by a fellow called Purge, who is by far much more clever than I when it comes to this theorycrafting/simulation running business. You may find the original post of his findings on his site here.
Unfortunately the LFR versions of these trinkets are not found within this list, but by the data presented we can see that both Renataki's Soul Charm and Bad Juju are strong contenders for Best in Slot, so much so that even the normal mode versions are superior to the heroic versions of Talisman of Bloodlust and most certainly Runes of Re-Origination. If I were to wager a guess (and that is all this is folks, a ballpark guess), I'd say that the LFR versions of Renataki and Juju are probably at least on par with the heroic versions of Bottle of Infinite Stars and Terror in the Mists, two rather strong trinkets in their own right from tier 14.
Also missing from the graph above are the Thunderforged and upgraded versions of each trinket. For those you'll have need to run your own simulations to see how one version of a trinket stacks up against another for you.
Overall we have some interesting options available to us. While ultimately Renataki's and Juju may be clear winners for enhancement, the VP purchased trinket Vicious Talisman and the normal mode (or heroic, if you're one so lucky to be progressed that far) version of the Talisman of Bloodlust are viable standbys for the unlucky or for those who may have ridiculous amounts of expertise that they just can't shake.
Hopefully this post has been a help to those of you who are baffled by our trinket choices. As always, if you have any questions please feel free to leave them in the comments. May the Voodoo Gnomes be with you!
While I don't know if it will impact your conclusion or not (and I don't know the math that Purge put into the chart), your read on how to take advantage of RoO is incorrect. You don't want to stack mastery (or any stat), you ideally want to have exactly 1 more of your preferred proc stat than each of the other two. So, if you have 15K combined stats available in mastery, haste and crit and you want to proc mastery, you'd want 5001 mastery, 5000 haste and 4999 crit. By doing this, you'd end up at 24999 mastery and 0 of the other two during the proc. You'd also have to make sure you don't have any haste or crit proc items equipped could cause something else to proc.
ReplyDeleteIf you went mastery-heavy with your reforging - say, 8000 mastery, 4000 haste and 3000 crit, you'd only end up at 22000 mastery during the proc. You'd be losing 3K in potential stats by stacking one over the other two.
It's not a HUGE difference, maybe, and generally speaking your non-proc dps could be compromised by having to keep your stats so close, but if could affect where that trinket ends up on a BiS list since the differences are quite minor (8% from best to worst on Purge's list). I believe it's BiS for monks and rogues, even at the LFR level, so it has the potential to be quite OP if you game it right. It might be less beneficial to shammies, though.
That all makes perfect sense. I was honestly just tossing a very rough scenario out there, so thank you kindly for the corrections on the math there!
DeleteThe bottom line is that once an enhancement shaman gets two RPPM trinkets, we start focusing a bit more on haste simply because of how our synergy works. While we may be haste stacking, haste and mastery are still rather close to each other in importance; crit not so much once we get ~20% or so. While having more of one or the other *might* be kind of OP in some situations, I don't think it's as easy for the average enhancement shaman to game the proc as well as some other classes.
I do know that this trinket is absolutely stellar for the likes of feral druids, but the feral/monk/rogue playstyle is a good deal different than an enhancement shaman's. We're very cooldown-based, whereas the playstyle of those three classes tends to lean more towards maintaining a sort of personal buff and combo points.
While that 8% is rather minor in the grand scheme of things, the bottom line is that any version of RoRO is essentially a tier behind its peers in performance for enhancement. Useable? Certainly, but the other options available will yield better results.
From what I've read, only monks and feral druids are using the Rune of Reorigination, and it's amazing for them.
DeleteI'll be passing on the Rune until the feral I raid with gets it to use and the hunter I raid with gets it to play with for fun.
I'm running Talisman of Bloodlust + Rentaki's Soul Charm (both 522s).
You're right about the Talisman not stacking. With zero haste rating, you've got ~18 seconds in between procs (3.3ppm) and a 10-second buff, so it's just not going to happen. You have to be at ~82% haste to get the average time between procs down to 10 seconds, allowing consistent stacking. Totally doable with Lifeblood, Heroism, Elemental Mastery, etc., but only when those buffs are up.